Date: Wed, 6 Nov 1996 14:45:15 -0800 From: "Rudolf Kies, PH.D." Subject: 1205 Documents The following "1205 Document" was submitted by a list member that wishes to remain anonymous. It's interesting reading for those that served in Korea and/or Vietnam. If you have questions or comments, please direct these to the list rather than to me. Enjoy! Rudolf Kies, PH.D. Owner/Moderator on listserv@sjuvm.stjohns.edu We don't spy on anyone - we just watch those that do... ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Nov 1996 14:45:19 -0800 From: "Rudolf Kies, PH.D." Subject: 1205 Document 1 of 3 Text of The Quang or '1205' Document Handwritten note on cover memo from Pyotr Ivashutin, head of Soviet Military Intelligence (GRU) states: "Please prepare a short report (special delivery) for the Politiburo of the TsK KPSS (Central Committee of the Communist Party of the Soviet Union) about the Prisoners of War." signed, Katushev* (* Konstantin Katushev was a Secretary of the Central Committee of the Communist Party who handled relations with communist countries) Apr-20-1993 18:26 From Task Force Russia TO DIA P.02 Top Secret Copy No. 1 [Stamp "TsK KPSS 1 Dec 72 38995 Subject to Return To the General Section of the TsK KPSS"] [handwritten "15/D12"] TsK KPSS (Central Committee of the Communist Party of the Soviet Union) I am reporting: Translation of the report of the Deputy Chief of the General Staff, Vietnamese People's Army, General-Lieutenant Chan Van Kuang (Tran Van Quang), at the Politiburo session, Tsk PTV (Central Committee of the workers' Party of Vietnam), 15 September 1972. This report outlines the measures which are being carried out by the leadership of the Democratic Republic of Vietnam (DRV) in South Vietnam to develop opportunities for cooperation with and for the recruitment of representatives of the Saigon government and army to the side of the Patriots. With this in mind, contacts have been established and meetings conducted with several civilian and military leaders, to include generals Ngo Din' Dzu (Commander, 2nd regional Corps), Nguen Khan and Zyong Van Min' (former leader of the Saigon administration), Khoang Suan Lam (former Commander, 1st Regional Corps) and others. According to the speaker, during these meetings many of the generals have spoken against the Tkhieu (Thieu) regime and against the U.S. policy of "Vietnamization", have acknowledged the major victories of the Patriotic forces and also agreed to be part of the future coalition government for South Vietnam. The leadership of the DRV is convinced that even though they have anticommunist views, such people will be able to greatly assist the Patriots in overthrowing the Thieu dictatorship and in forming a coalition government. Tran Van Quang has presented the contents of the plan "Ba Be" which is planned for execution in South Vietnam. This plan envisions the resolution of a number of tasks, the principle one of which is the physical extermination of the reactionary leaders of the Saigon administration who have harshly criticized DRV policy. The development of plan "Ba Be" was undertaken jointly by the DRV Ministry of National Defense along with the Ministry of State Security. They were assinged responsibility for the magament of its execution. It was noted that preparation for execution of "Ba Be" is going successfully. Up until the middle of September of this year, 406 people, who have recieved special training and know the local conditions well, have been sent from the DRV to south Vietnam. These people were also assigned the task of carrying out operations according to plan "Ba Be". The insertion into South Vietnam of specially trained agents is scheduled for completion by the end of September. The report states that conduct of operations in accordance with plan "Ba Be" is scheduled for October of this year. It is assumed that its successful execution will assist in the realization of plans for combat operations to a significant degree and will lead to the development of an improved situation in South Vietnam for the Patriots. In addition, substantial influence will be exerted on the negotiations in Paris. Tran Van Quang explained the American POW issue in detail. The total number of American POWs captured in combat actions and who are now in the DRV consists of 1205, of which 671 were taken prisoner in North Vietnam, 426 in South Vietnam, 43 in Laos and 65 in Cambodia. There are 767 aviators among the prisoners, 3 of which went through training for space flights, and 15 of which have more than 4000 flight hours each. All of the American POWs are held in 11 prisons and were assigned according to military rank (there are 16 colonels, 104 lieutenant colonels, 235 majors and the remaining prisoners are of lower rank). It was noted that during the interrogations of the prisoners, the NVA command succeeded in collecting valuable information on the US Armed Forces on combat equipment and various types of weaponry, including chemical weapons, which provides the opportunity to develop countermeasures against the enemy. According to the speaker, the US government does not know the precise number of POWs in the DRV since the NVA command holds this information in strict secrecy. Up until now, a list of only 368 prisoners has been published officially. There are indications that the leadership of the DRV considers the issue of releasing American POWs as a part of the whole Vietnamese problem and can be settled only after the resolution of the political and military issues. Enclosures: 1 brochure (entry No. 14253), Top Secret, Copy No. 6. [Signature] P. Ivashutin P. Ivashutin "29" November 1972 N 313/001286 RKSS/I 2242-24.II.72 GENERAL STAFF OF THE ARMED FORCES OF THE USSR MAIN INTELLIGENCE DIRECTORATE (GRU) Copy No. 6 REPORT OF THE DEPUTY CHIEF OF THE GENERAL STAFF OF THE VNA [VIETNAMESE PEOPLES ARMY] GENERAL-LIEUTENAT CHAN VAN KUANG (TRAN VAN QUANG) AT THE POLITIBURO MEETING OF THE TSK PTV 15 SEPTEMBER 1972 (translation from Vietnamese into Russian) Moscow - 1972 Dear Comrades: I reported to you earlier about the situation which has developed, about the fundamental characteristics of the past stage of our people's conflict against American imperilists. I will dwell on the main tasks of the people and the army of North and South Vietnam which were proposed by the 23rd Plenum of the Tsk PTV. These tasks once again confirm our resoluteness to attain victory. This a very correct course for our party and people in the contemporary stage of conflict. We have already worked out measures for the realizing the resolutions of the 23rd Plenum of the TsK. We will also dwell on a number of the Supreme Command's and the Government Defense Council's positions, in which an evaluation of our victories gained over the period from 30 Mar 72 to the present is given. The military situation for us is developing favorably on all fronts. A number of profound changes which took place in the military situation demanded that we develpo a necessary point of view for solving all issues which comes up during the war. Several meetings between us and the US aimed at developing measures of resolving the Vietnam issue have already taken place. We have decisively rejected a number of proposals put forth by the American side. With assistance from a number of countries, there should have been secret meetings in Paris and in other places aimed at drawing up a solution to the Vietnam issue. Such meetings took place. They once again testified to the deranged nature of the proposals put forth by the American side. As previously, we have maintained our position, the essence of which includes the following: if the US truly wants to resolve the Vietnam issue, then above all else it must refuse to support the Nguyen Van Thieu regime, and only afterwards will we engage in a discussion about a cease fire. This demand is the main tenet in our conflict against the American imperialists. If Nixon continues adhering to his policy of "Vietnamization" of the war and desires to leave the present Saigon Government of Thieu in power, then the peace negotiations between us and the US will not yeild any results. During our general offensive on the fronts of South Vietnam, Laos and Cambodia, the progress which we have attained in implementing our strategic and tactical line (direction, orientation) was clearly evident. I earlier analyzed the activity of our command, elucidated the great victories we have attained and I also explained the shortcomings and mistakes that we made during the general offensive. The lessons we learned from analyzing the mistakes we made were also discussed. I stated all of this to the Politiburo in order to work out a direction for solving the fundamental priciple problems. Today I will report a number of positions regarding expanding the scope of our future offensive. We organized meetings with South Vietnamese representatives aimed at preparing a solution of the military and political in South Vietnam according to the Politiburo's and State Defense Council's plan, we organized meetings with South Vietnamese representatives . These meetings have great significance for us, and we are affiliating several of our plans with them [South Vietnamese representatives]. A number of our comrades have met with representatives of the South Vietnamese authorities, and it can be said that we have succeeded in winning their sympathy at these meetings. We were able to exchange ideas not only orally, but also in written form during these meetings and contacts. This gave us the opportunity to draw definate conclusions. Recently, we have conducted 8 similar meetings with representatives of the Saigon authorities and South Vietnamese political figures. First, we will dwell on meetings with General Ngo Dinh Dzu.(1) Earlier Ngo Dinh Dzu was listed as a candidate for president of South Vietnam and battled with Nguen Van Thieu and Nguen Kao Ki for this post. Ngo Dinh Dzu is a prominent Sout Vietnamese capitolist and well known political figure. He occupied the post of chairman of the upper chamber of the Saigon Parliment and during the Ngo Dinh Diem government, he was a senator in the upper chamber. Ngo Dinh Dzu, in his own opinion, is a nationalist. He speaks against American troops on South Vietnamese territory, and also against several policy positions conducted by the Saigon authorities. AT the same time, he is characterized as a reactionary, an enemy of communism. Afterwards, as Ki and Thieu attained victory in the presidential elections, the latter undertook all measures to take revenge on General Dzu. Dzu used the pre-electioncampaign to criticize the Saigon regime and to undermine its security. He spoke against American troops on South Vietnamese territory, for which he was subjected to bitter attacks from Nguen Van Thieu. General Dzu was forced to leave the political arena after 9 months under pressure from Thieu. Afterwards, General Dzu became an even greater enemy of the Nguen Van Thieu and his government. This why we tried to attract this person to our side. (1) Commander of the 2nd Regional Corps of South Vietnam, General Lieutenant (GRU's note). Despite General Dzu remaining an enemy of communism, his relations with Nguen Van Thieu and the present Saigon alignments, and also our meetings with him have allowed him to see the nature of the Americans and the present face of the Saigon government. We sent one of our comrades from the Supreme Command to Saigon for meetings with General Dzu. At the meeting, which lasted 3 hours, General Dzu agreed to enter into a future coalition government and spoke out against the policy of "Vietnamization" of the war carried out by Nixon and also against the Nguen Van Thieu clique. During this meeting he also stated that he will fight against Nguen Van Thieu's clique and Nixon's present designs. Now, we see well how significant changes have taken place in General Dzu's life and way of thinking. He is already not the same ardent anticommunist. In his views, now prevail those features such as the conflict against Nixon's policy of "Vietnamization" of the war and against Nguen Van Thieu's clique which he considers as fascist and as expressing the interests of the financial oligarchy which is against freedom and independence. And, finally, General Dzu is for the expansion of democracy and freedom over the entire territory of South Vietnam. These are the main national traits of General Dzu, which correspond to our present course. This is whay we are attempting to attract General Dzu to our side and why we entered into contact with him. After the first meeting, there were recently three other meetings during which he spoke his opinions. During these meetings, we understood what kind of major changes took place in his way of thinking and in the position he has taken and in his approach to solving the problem. Thus, we can ascertain that these meetings and contacts with General Dzu had very good results. Recentyl, General Dzu requested to meet with one of the prominent leaders of the NFO [National Liberation Front] of South Vietnam. We are now busy preparing for the upcoming meeting between General Dzu and Khyuin' Tan Fat. This meeting will be conducted secretly in order to insure the fulfillment of our main principles because we understand that this new person expresses contradictions - he is amog those in the Saigon government whose number is growing every day. The second person is Nguen Khan' who earlier occupied the prime minister post for three years after the overthrow of Ngo Din' Diem. Nguen Khan' is a representative of the army. Earlier he served in the French Army; now he is a prominent South Vietnamesecapitolist whose capitol is invested in various foreign enterprises, especially in France, Nguen Khan' is a representative of the new trend. This is why we have entered into contact with him. These contacts took place in Paris, where we have conducted 5 meetings. Nguen Khan' maintains constant contact with military circles in the Nguen Van Thieu government. After being removed from his post, he left the country, but periodically returns to Saigon where he engages in political activities in the capacity of an emigree representative. In summarizing the five meetings, we noticed in Nguen Kkhan the following: first, as regards the ruling faction he believes that Nguen Van Thieu is a dictator and a fascist who is not capable of being head of the government. Khan' considers the present government to be rotten to the core; second, he is against the bombing of North Vietnam; third, while criticizing the Nguen Van Thieu faction, he speaks against the participation of Saigon troops in combat actions on Cambodia territory. He believes that the threat of disintergration has arisen over the Saigon ARmy, that it has poor morale and combat spirit. Nguen Khan' speaks for the establishment of a new government which would have authority with the people which would carry out a nationalist policy, while recieving foreign aid. These are the views of Nguen Khan'. He says nothing about his feelings toward the policy of "Vietnamization" of the war. This explained, first of all, by his connections with military circles. Therefore, we are not striving to directly attract him to our side. Presently, Nguen Khan' is maintaining connections with the current Saigon generals. The third person is Zyong Van Min', who also represents the military circles. Previously, he occupied the prime minister post after Nguen Khan', and was sent out of the country as an ambassador. The political views of Zyong Van Min' differ from the political views of Nguen Khan'. This is first expressed Zyong Van Min' speaking out against Nixon's policy of "Vietnamization" and for the independent solution internal problems by the Vietnamese without US interference. He believes that the US should carry responsibility for drawing out the Vietnamese War and for its consequences. He subjects the Vietnamese policy of Nixon to sharp critisism, and also the policy carried out by the current Saigon government. These are very good political views. He speaks against Thieu's clique, considering it to be pre-fascist, anti-democratic and not capable of carrying the leadershipo of the country. These are the main political views of Zyong Van Min'. As a result of these contacts with Zyong Van Min', we have attained an important victory, forcing him to reflect. He also met with Nguen Tkhi Bin' several times in Paris. At these meetings, Zyong Van Min' felt that he as before was close to the Fatherland and that he is Vietnamese. This is why he began to conduct this great work with us and with the intelligentsia and military circles located outside of the country, with the aim of entering into a coalition government and in the hope of solving the Vietnamese issue on the basis of conducting consultations and negotiations between the various political factions of South Vietnam. This is Zyong Van Min's desire. The fourth person is the former emporor Bao Daj. At one time the possibility exsisted that the former emporor would have been behind us. But, under pressure from reactionary factions after the August revolution, he was forced to emigrate to France. As before, Bao Daj holds great influence amongst the political figures in the Kyang-Chu and Tkxya-Tkxien Provinces, and also in the city of Gyeh, the ancient capitol of Vietnam. This why we moved to make contact with Bao Daj. We are not hoping that Bao Daj becomes part of the coalition government, but to attract him to our side is to attract his supporters in the regions where he has influence. As a result of the meetings conducted, we clarified that Bao Daj will come out against the presence of American troops in the territory of South Vietnam, and also critisizes Nguen Van Thieu's exsisting regime. Bao Daj is also calling for all of the political factions to create a free, neutral, peace-loving government that would resolve the tense situation that has taken form in the country. This is whay we entered into contact with Bao Daj and are trying to attract him to our side. We hope that he, in turn, will work with his people in a plan for securing peace and freedom for our country. The fifth person is General Nguen Van Vi who earlier occupied the post of Minister of Defense of South Vietnam. Tkhieu removed him from the post for disorder and chaos in the army's financial affairs. The real reason, however, for Nguen Van Vi's retirement was the series of serious defeats that the puppet army has suffered. From Nguen Van Tkhieu's viewpoint, the military circles responded to this move with specific reaction. We also had contacts with General Nguen Van Vi which allowed us to understand his political position. He thinks that the US will certainly suffer defeat in this war and that a war in Vietnam is not the responsibility of the American Army. This is why Nguen Van Vi is also coming out for the creation of a coalition government in order to resolve the Vietnam issue through peaceful negotiation between all of the political factions of South Vietnam. Nguen Van Vi is also coming out against Nixon's "Vietnamization" of the war. Such are the basic political views of General Nguen Van Vi. We scored a great victory at the meeting with him; we received his agreement to take part in a coalition government to resolve the Vietnam issue through peaceful negotiation between all of the political factions of South Vietnam. Nguen Van Vi also officially recognized the victories won by the National Liberation Front of South Vietnam, i.e. our victories. As concerns our contacts within the South Vietnamese governing apparatus, it is fitting to mention here the letter from Nuguen Kao Ki addressed to our address. In the letter, he lays out his views on the route to a resolution of the Vietnam problem. I have reported to you today on the contact with all of these people so that you would know how the Politburo's instructions on the recruitment of these people to our side is being carried out. The srtong protest from their side is a result of a growth of contradictions within Nguen Van Tkhieu's clique and of contradictions of Nixon's "Vietnamization: of the war. We can use these contradictions to improve the situation in South Vietnam, to resolve the issue in our favor, and the agreement of these people to enter into a coalition government will precisely go in our favor. In addition to a resolution of the issue by military means on the battlefields of South Vietnam, we have engaged in contacts with several South Vietnamese political figures, who may be able to join the ranks of a coalition government. As a result of these contacts we have gained an understanding of the political views of these people and have expressed our point of view on ways to resolve the Vietnam problem. These contacts with people who occupy high stations, prominent military and political figures, ministers and senators of the upper and lower chambers of the saigon parliament give the basis for making the following conclusions: 1. They are against the present regime of Nguen Van Tkhieu, considering that, Nguen Van Tkhieu's clique is dictatorial, profascist, rotten and not capable of carrying out the leadership of the country under the situation that has developed in South Vietnam at the present. They also think that if the US withdraws its troops from South Vietnam and stops aiding the regime, the government would instantly fall to pieces. 2. The majority of them are against Nixon's "Vietnamization" of the war, against the broadening of the bombing of North Vietnam, and think that Nixon does not want to resolve the Vietnam issue or the Indochina issue as a whole. 3. They consider that the National Liberation Front has recently scored enormous victories on the military, political and were able to win over extensive heavily prpluated regions. They also recongnize the National Liberation Front's great success with the strengthening of the army, the increase in its conbat ability and leadership level, the improvement in cooperation between the branches of service and many other areas. In the provinces and in many towns amongst the people who occupy less improtant positions in the state apparatus, we also tried to win over this catergory of people to our side. It is possible to say that they are also ready to ais in the creatioon of a coalition government. They are also against the policy of "Vietnamization:, against Nguen Van Tkhieu's clique and want to resolve the Vietnamese issue on the basis of a cessation of war. Thus, on the orders of the Politbguro we have been preparing to conduct meetings with various catergories of the South Vietnamesse population, aimed at resolving the South Vietnamese issue through peaceful negotiations between all of the political factions of South Vietnam. As a result of the contacts that have taken place to recruit these people to our side, conditions have presented themselves so that these people will be able to aid us in the creation of a coalition government and in the overthrow of Nguen Van Tkhieu's dictatorial regime. We see that we have chosen the correct course. This is also clearly indicated in the resolutions of the 23rd Plunum of the Central Committee. In other words, we should recruit these people to our side, and bring them into the coalition government so that we use them to our favor in the diplomatic and political plan. In order to create a base for the successful resolution of the issues that stand before us, we epecifically want to bring into the coalition government those people who earlier worked in the South Vietnamese state apparatus and held or are holding at the present a high post in the power structure. If we are successful in resolving these issues, we will be concluding a mammoth case on which we will again report to the Politburo so that you are well informed on these issues and have formed a plan of acction for mission completion. Thanks to these meetings, we are able to know who supports us and who is against us in South Vietnam. We have also worked out a new plan for the realization of our new intentions in South Vietnam and now know which representatives of the present South Vietnam power apparatus are in favor of the war. The meetings and contacts which we initiated were conducted with complete equality of rights and helped us recruit representatives of all strata of South Vietnamese society to our side. This is our grandest victory, won in the course of these contactrs with the aim of resovling the Vietnamese issue. Thus, thanks to these contacts we understand which part of the popluation considers the course we are taking to be just i.e. we have exposed all of those who are against Nixon's politics for the prolongation of the war. against Nguen Van Tkhieu's clique and will join with us in the creation of a coalition government. In addition to the military issues, this is one of the problems we are trying to resolve. We are therefore conducting these meetings and contacts directed at the resolution of political and diplomatic problems. With the goal of realizing these aims, the Supreme Command, in conjunction with the Governmental Council of Defense, has developed directives for the army to prepare and conduct the "Ba Be" plan, which is scheduled to be executed in October. The "Ba Be" plan provides for the resolution of a number of problems. Four hundred and six individuals were sent to execute the plan in South Vietnam. These individuals had gone through sufficient preparation and well armed. Earlier these people worked in the South Vietnam goverment apparatus. After the August revolution, during the resistance war against the French colonials, these people were left behind by us to active work with the enemy and therefore enter into the staff of various organs of the Saigon government apparatus. Prior to departure for South Vietnam, we prepared and armen them well for the fulfillment of the "Ba Be" plan. The basic tasks of the "Ba Be" are: - elimination of all people: who are stubborn and oppose our course; who occupy leadership positions in the realm of the province uezd and above; a full paralyzation of the wills of these people; - conduct of activities for carrying out discruption in the Saigon governement apparatus. [installation] of new people at the next shift of this apparatus. We are attentively observing the people who oppose us with our decision with regards to this group must be very serious and firm. This matter occupies an imprtant place in carrying out the "Ba Be" plan. We must have lists of these people and full dossiers on them beforehand to conduct preparatory training in carrying out the plan in order to quickly do away with them and ruin their order; - search and acquire materials testifying to the crimes of the Americans and their puppets with regards to the Vietnamese people, so that during opportune conditions we may accuse them of the perpetration of these crimes by means of publishing the materials. These are the three basic missions of the people for carrying out of the "Ba Be" plan. As for the time of completion, general opinion is that it will be completed simultanqously with Plan T8-6 (Chyong Shon-6)*, that is, in the month of October. This plan must be well carried-out in order to infulence the course of the Paris Peace talks on Vietnam and the development of conditions in the near future. This is a very important task, the decision of which may help us carry out a more successful attack on the front, the pace of development of which we need to increase in oder to achieve great victories in short amounts of time. Therefore the "Ba Be" plan is already being implemened and we are continuing the trainging of people to realize it. (* Plan T8-6 - a military action plan of the VNA in South Vietnam with a focus on the basic strengths in the Gueh region (GRU note.) The pace must be increased to realize this plan. We have to quickly throw these people from North to South Vietnam in order to destroy a large amount of the enemy's kinetic energy from within. In other words, the elimination of all traitors, reactionaries, and counter-revolutionariess, who currently make up a fairly significant portion in South Vietnam is an imprtant task to the "Ba Be" plan. We must attract the neutral forces to our side; those who are fighting for national independense; against the USA; forces who earlier fought against the regime of Ngo Din' Dhiem and now fight against the regime of Nguen Van Tkhieu. We must to do everything necessary in order to successfully carry out the "Ba Be" plan. Along with that, we must work for the demoralization of the puppet army on all fronts. The conduct of such work in good conditions will bring down the fighting sprit of the puppet army soldiers in the future, and increase the number of servicemen who cross over to our side. This is a basic fundamental which helps us to create conditions for revolts in the puppet army. We were faced with this matter after the victory in Quang-Chi. Anonymous Rudolf Kies, PH.D. Owner/Moderator on listserv@sjuvm.stjohns.edu We don't spy on anyone - we just watch those that do... ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Nov 1996 14:46:07 -0800 From: "Rudolf Kies, PH.D." Subject: 1205 Document 2 of 3 Was ther actually a collective anti-military uprising in the 56th puppet regiment? No, in actuality the matter at the front was not like that. After being surrounded by us, the upper echolon of the 241st Regimental command understood the futility of further resistance and along with their soldiers, surrendered. However, with the goal of increasing the effect of this work, we revealed that as a result of the good emplyment of propoganda work, there was an anti-military uprising the the 56th regiment. This is the new form of stimulation anti-military uprisings in the puppet army. The political views of puppet army officers captain and above are very reactionary. Previously they were officers or speak out for the prvious Saigon goverment, inciting couter-revolution and anti-nationalism, and hating the revolution. Therefore, the conduct of propaganda among soldiers and especially the officer corps is a difficult and varied work, demanding study from all sides and a creative approach in the choice of methods and means. One must be aware of the shining results which we achieved in the past in the propaganda organization among the High Command staff right up to Saigon Army generals. We had contacts and meetings with a series of officers. For example, with General Khoang Suan Lam, the former Commander of the 1st Corp region. He was very reactionary man and came out against our revolution. After the defeat at Kuang-Chi Tkhieu dismissed him and he contacted us. At the meetings, Khoang Suan Lam told us, if one must say, a number of his views. In his opinion, the Saigon puppet army will not be able to carry out missions, led by the plan of the 'vietnamization' of its forces. He believes that the revolutionary forces will gain the victory and that the puppet army will not be able to stop it. The Tkhieu regime is a dictatorship, pro-fascist, and doesn't have the support of the people. These are some of the basic attitudes spoken by General-Lieutenant Khoang Suan Lam. As for the closest person to the Tkhieu regime, General Ngo Din' Dzu, he expressed, at the meetings arranged between us, the opinion that even the 2nd Corps regions will be lost and that no matter what the cost, the puppet army will not be able to stand against us in this region, ie: the Taj-Nguen region. In this way, Dzu also expresses the idea of Khoang Suan Lam. He also said that the puppet army will not be able to stand against us uf the Americans leave Vietnam. Ngo Din' Dzu sees a growth of rebellion and revolution in South Vietnam, an increase in authority for the National Front for the Freedom of South Vietnam, an increase in the level of our strategic and tactical leadship, and even [an increase] in the level of military action. Dzu remembers Nguen Van Tkhieu as a bloody dictator, a fascist, as one who reated a regime that is absolutely anti-democratic. In This way, we see that these meetings with the generals are our greatest victory and will aid us. In order to successfully cope with a resolution of this matter, tied in with the use of propaganda among the generals of the South Vietnamese Army with the goal of awakening their conscious and attracting them to our side necessary to understand that the outcome of the coming battle depends upon the solution of these important questions. It is necessary to attain a clear understanding among the generals of the fact that the Thieu regime never will employ popular support and cannot exist. Such are the fundamental questions which we should resolve in the near future. >From the utterances of the generals set forth above, we see that the situation is developing in a direction gavorable to expand the net of communicatioons and connections with people who will carry out Plan "BA BE." The Supreme Command and Ministry of State Security discussed all matters related to successful implementation of this plan and levied new tasks upon the commands of the combat zones responsible for implementation of all regions and now are conducting the final work in order to complete preparatroy measures for this Plan by September 30th of this year. In comparison to other plans, the preparatioon of Plan "BA BE" is developing will. Such a plan we will formost ring into being on the territory of South Vietnam. In the course of its realization we will acquire experience which can help us counter the designs of the enemy at the front. However more cruel the bombings and barrages of the enemy may become, so much greater the victory we should grasp at the front, just such victories ais realization of Plan "BA BE." With the implementation of this plan we join great hopes; especially in accelerating the pace at which the offensive at the front develops, of which I reported to you above. The favorable development of the situation will be a huge and significant factor in collapse of military desgns of the USA and of the puppets at the front in South Vietnam. We must thwart the tickheaded and treacherous plans of the enemy, successful carrying out of Plan "BA BE" will indeed help us to grasp new victories. These victories will have great strategic significance in implementation of Plans T8-6 and 1) Plan S-6, which were topics above. The goal of Plan "BA BE" is introduction of division into the ranks of the enemy and lowering of his will to resist. Successful implementation of Plan "BA BE" will help us to attain successes at the Paris negotiations on Vietnam. The closer is victory, so much more clearly will appear the treacherous designs of the Nixon-Kissinger-Laird clique, and likewise of the puppet government of Nguyen Van Thieu. Therefore implementation of Plan "BA BE" will be great step in the resolution of many issues in the current situation. Because of this, its significance is so great. For successful realization of this plan we should as so as possible deploy our forces, in order to approach implementation of this plan in the month of October in accordance with indicated deadlines. In the Paris negotiations on Vietnam we have met in recent days with a series of difficulites. These difficulites are explained by the fact that Nixon begin stubborn as before and is trying above all to achieve amilitary solution of the issu and only then to move to settlement of political issues, which exercises great influence on the course of developement of the situation in Vietnam. As a result of the exchange of opions in the private meetings with Nixon's advisor, Kissinger, we understood that Nixon as before is being stubborn on settling the situation which is developing today in Vietnam. To attain settlement we should conduct careful preparation to counter Nixon's designs. Let him understand: if he does not renounce this war, then precisely the USA will suffer defeat in it. However, Nixon is being stubborn in continuing aggressive war and maintaining the status quo. That is why we think, that with the USA taking such a position, peaceful solution of the Vietnamese question is not possible. We see that the USA obstinately continues aggression, while Nguyen Van thieu as before holds to his insolent position. That is why we are filled with resolution to carry out Plan "BA BE," the realization of which will be a turning point in the settlement of the situation at the front. This would be our first military thrust on the front aimed at resolving the complicated political issue at the present stage. Until this, the Supreme Command had never tried woking out a plan simial to the plan "Ba Be". Over the course of Six months, we prepared to execute this plan. During this time, we gathered everyone who should take part in its realization, and then conducted a thorough training with them. The intelligence directorate of the Ministry of National Defence and the Ministry of State Security conducted the training of these people. We well understand that the better the training of these people is conducted, the fewer the losses we will carry and the faster we will be able to attain execution of this plan. Thus, once again evaluating the plan "Ba Be", the thorough training which is now going on, and which will be realized jointly with the plan T8-6 in October, it can be said that its successful realizationwill assist us to attain new large victories at the Paris negotiations on Vietnam. These are very serious issues which we must devote constant attention to. Yesterday the State Defense Council directed the Supreme Command to conduct a conference for the cadres responsible for training and carrying out his plan. At this conference, the forms, means and methods were stated, which were worked out. According to the organs and confirmed at a Politburo session. Now we can say that we have achieved great successes and we are convinced that this plan will be realized. Presently, this plan is being carried out. We have already suceeded in inserting a portion of our comrades into South Vietnamese territory. Wee succeeded with difficulty in certain areas and for this we had to procure all possible means. In other areas, this operation was carried out more successfully, and now our people are occuping stable positions in the puppet governing apparatus. Dear Comrades! In summing up what is stated above, it can be said that we are going in the right direction in carrying out our plans, especially the plans T8-6 and "Ba Be", and also in training for the realization of our plan s-6, the realization of which is stated for the near future. In addition to these issues, in accordance with the instructions from the Politburo, I will also report to you today on American POWs captured on the various fronts of Indochina. The work with American prisoners of war has always been within the field of vision of the Politburo and has been reflected in its decisions, such as decision No. 21 DST Dated 23 Mar 71, and decision No. 21 E dated 4 Apr 72. Both of these decisions concern the issues of exploiting these American POW issue. Some of these are correct, other are not, but even among us there are a number of comrades whose opinions differ from the opionion of Politburo. These comrades are not taking into consideration the particulars of the developing situation not the inherent difficulties in their judgements. These opinion harm us in our search for methods of resolving the American POW issue. Dear comrades! The American POW issue to very complex. The peoples of the world [world opinion] and the peoples of our fraternal socialist nations [allied popular opinion] as well as North Vietnam. Allow me to inform you specifically on this matter. We have captured a very large number of American POWs on the fronts of Indochina since the time that the US introduced their troops into Vietnam, escalated the air war against North Vietnam, and expanded the total scope of their appreassion by spreading this aggression onto the territories of Laos and Cambodia. At first, the number of American POWs was not large and world public opinion paid little attention to them. The number of Americal POWs in North Vietnam grew day by day after 5 Aug 65 when the US imperialists started massive air bombing and off-shore bombardment by the 7th fleet of the territory of North Vietnam, and after having expanded their aggression onto the territories of Laos and Cambodia. The number of American POWs in the DRV has not been made public to this day. We have kept this figure secret. At today's Politburo session, I will report to you, Comrades, the exact number of American POWs. For Official Use Only The total number of American POWs captured to date on the fronts of Indochina, ie in North Vietnam, South Vietnam, Laos and Cambodia, comprises 1205 people. Of them, 671 people were captured in North Vietnam and 143 aviators [were captured] in South Vietnam. This means the total number of aviators, and diversionists (special operations) (American advisors on diversionary ships and divers), captured on the territories of North and South Vietnam comprises 814 people. In addition, from other categories of American servicemen in Indochina, we have captured 391 people, including: 283 in South Vietnam, 65 in Cambodia and 43 in Laos; 814 and 391 comprises 1205 people. Here is more data on the 1205 POWs. We have captured 624 American aviators in North Vietnam, to include 7 colonels, 85 lieutenant colonels, 183 majors, ie the total number of senior US Air Force and Navy officiers comprises 275 people. The 624 American aviators include 3 astronauts, i.e. three people who have completed the necessary training for space flight, for instance, Jim Katlo, who was captured in the vicinity of Hanoi. This figure also includes 15 US Air Force aces having more than 4000 flight hours each: Norman Klarvisto, Karmet, Jim Intist Shasht and others. This is the specific data on American aviators captured in North Vietnam. Among the other 47 prisoners captured in North Vietnam, there are 36 advisors of diversionary detachments who were inserted in the border region between the DRV and Laos; lone diversionists who were conducting reconnaissance ships; and several seamen who abandoned their ships that were damaged and whom we picked up. Therefore the figures 624 and 47 add up to 671. In South Vietnam we have captured 143 US aircrew members, mainly helicopter aviators and some jet aviators. Among the 391 American POWs captured in South Vietnam, Laos and Cambodia, we have 9 colonels, 19 lieutenant colonels and 52 majors. The remaining officers are captain and below, as well as American enlisted soldiers. Thus in summary, I want to remind you again that the 1205 American POWs presently in prisons of North Vietnam include: -624 aviators captured in North Vietnam -143 aviators captured in South Vietnam -47 diversionarists and other American servicemen captured in North Vietnam; -391 American servicemen of other categories, which includes 283 captured in South Vietnam, 65 in Cambodia, and 43 in Laos. All of them are presently in prisons in North Vietnam. Currently we have 11 prisons where American POWs are held. We used to have 4 large prisons, however after the American attempt to free their POWs from Kha-Tej (Son Tay) we expanded this number to 11. Each prison holds approximately 100 POWs. Seven Air Force colonels captured in North Vietnam and nine colonels of various branches of service captured in South Vietnam, Laos and Cambodia (16 officers in all) are being held together; through them, we are attempting to gain an understanding of the current situation which has developed in the American Army, extract the material and information we need, and determine our position toward them. We are also holding 104 American lieutenant colonels in one location and are attempting to extract information - secret information about troop dispositions and information concerning the US Defense Department from them. We have 235 majors concentrated in two locations. Thus we have dedicated special prisons for senior officers of the American Army: one for colonels, one for lieutenant colonels and two for majors. The rest of the POWs, captains and below, were placed in other prisons. A few words about the political views and attitudes of American POWs. There are 368 POWs who have progressive attitudes. They understand very well that this war is unjust and unpopular on their part. They condemn the American administration and express a strong protest against this war. We will be able to release these 368 POWs first, if as a result of the struggle of the progressive peoples of the world, including the American people, a favorable international environment will develop, forcing Nixon to move toward a resolution of the political issue. We are carrying out work with this catergory of POWs to explain to them the aggressive nature of the war being conducted by the regime, and also to make them understand the unjust character of this war which is inflicting great damage on the American people. One can assert that this group of POWs is progressive in their political views. There are 372 of the POWs who hold neutral views, i.e. their political outlook is not fully progressive, yet not too reactionary. We plainly see that they still do not clearly understand the role of the American administration in unleashing the aggressive war in Indochina. The remainder of the POWs hold reactionary views. In spite of the work carried on to explain to them the real state of things, they have not changed their reactionary views. The following is a summation: - - 368 POWs holding progressive views can be released first; - - 372 POWs hold neutral positions; - - 465 POWs hold reactionary views. All the POWs among the senior officers hold reactionary views, i.e. they do not condmn Nixon, they do not protest his policies, and they distort our course of action. We understand that these officers come from rich families. Their reactionary views are precisely a result of this. We well understand that the American POW issue has great significance for the resolution of the South Vietnamese problem. We must continue propagandistic and educational work with the American POWs, leading to their understanding of the nature of the aggressive war which the US is carrying out in Vietnam, as well as the senseless obstinateness of Nixon, which only delays the release of POWs and their return to their homeland. Soon we will free several POWs in order to put pressure on the Nixon administration, observe this reaction and the reaction of the American public, as well as to demonstrate our good intentions in this matter. Thus, the 1205 American POWs captured on the fronts of Indochina (in North and South Vietnam, Laos and Cambodia), presently kept in prisons in North Vietnam represent a significant force in the American army, a basic part of which is made up of American aviators. The large number of American aviators imprisoned during the time of Johnson and Nixon inflicted huge damage on the US Air Force. This should cause the US government and Nixon himself to reflect. We intend to resolve the American POW issue in the following manner: 1. The US government must demonstrate compliance, i.e. a cease fire and the removal of Nguyen Van Thieu, and then both sides can begin discussing the matter of returning POWs to the Nixon government. 2. While the American side is resolving the above-mentioned problems, we can free several more aviators from the number who are progressively inclined. Nixon should not hinder the return of these aviators to their homeland and not undertake any disciplinary measures toward them. 3. Nixon must compensate North Vietnam for the great damage inflicted on it by this destructive war. Here then are the principles on the bases of which we may resolve the American POW issue. However, Nixon continues to resist resolving the Vietnamesse question, thereby delaying the resolution of the American POW issue. I have reported these specific figures and fundamental aspecrs of the American POW issue to the Politburo. But we also have these comrades who do not understand this problem correctly. It is necessary to resolve this issue taking into account settling the military and the political aspects of the Vietnamese problem. If we take a path of concession toward Americans and release POWs, then we would lose much. That is why our point of view on this issue remains the same: this issue must be resolved on the basis of military and political aspects of settlement. Holding 1205 POWs creates certain difficulties for us, but more importantly, the loss of 1205 POWs, particularly aviators, is a great detriment to the American Army, particularly the US Air Force. At the same time, we were able to collect data about American weaponry, tactical/technical characteristics of aircraft, Air Force directives, as well as materials about to uncover US intentions in the international arena and on a number of other issues which are related to war in Indochina. That is why we are convinced that our position concerning POWs has and continues to be correct. If we could successfully resolve the POW issue, then the other issues would not exert any concentrating on the successful resolution of this problem on the aviators who were shot down over North Vietnam and American specialist, as well as scientists in other technical areas. Their loss is a major liability for the American Army, because in no other war have there been so many captured Americans as there are in this war of aggression. The 1205 American POWs kept in the prisons of North Vietnam present a large number. For now, we have officially published a list of only 368 POWs. The resst are not acknowledged. The US government is aware of this, but they do not know the exact number of POWs, or they perhaps only assume an approximate number based on their lossess. Therefore in accordance with the instructions from the Poliburo, we are keeping the number of POWs secret. We are continuing to collect and study materials from interrogations of POWs in order to have a basis in specific circumstances to expose US designs in the Indochina war of aggresstion as well as in other matters. Collection and study of these materials has provided us great assistance in studing the scientific discoveries of the USA, in developing methods to cunter contemporary weapons, including chemical, which have inflicted great harm upon us in this war. I reported to the Politburo several fundamental aspectrs related to the matter of American POWs, namely: concerning the policy we are implementing on this matter, I gave the concrete number of American POWs seized in North Vietnam, South Vietnam, Cambodia and Laos. We still have among us Comrades who think: why do we keep these POWs and not take advantage of the Nixon proposals? Do we really want to resolve this matter after all? It needs to be noted that such a point of view is profoundly mistaken. This is not political horse-trading but rather an important condition and serious argument for successful resolution of the Vietnam problem. That is why the matter of the American POWs has great significance in exposing Nixon's designs in this matter and condemn individualistic mistaken views current among us on this matter. We firmly hold to our position - - when the American government resolves the political and military issues on all three fronts of Indochina, we will set free all American POWs. We consider this a very correct course. Dear Comrades! I have reported the following matters to Politburo sessions: the course of our party on the general offensive conducted in South Vietnam from March 30th to the present; our errors and deficiencies in the offensive and summing up results of the offensive in South Vietnam, Laos and Cambodia; positive and negative things taking place in the course of the offensive; short term plans of the enemy and our operations; analysis of errors permitted in strategic and tactical leadership; our contacts with political figures of South Vietnam from the Saigon regime; the matter of American POWs, captured on the three fronts of Indochina. Today on assignment of the Supreme Command, the State Defense Council and the Military Committee of the Politburo, I reported to you on these matters so that the Politburo could stufy these problems, could express its opinion on them, and set forth forms and methods for their resolution. Soon, the State Defense Council, together with the Supreme Command will study matters related to carrying out new operations at the front. The State Defense Council assigned the Supreme Command, and later in turn the General Staff, to address matters related to the development of new military plans for the year 1973. At the present time these plans are being worked out with the goal of preparing the necessary forces for their implementation. We are occupied with matters of mobilization and traingin of reinforcements for two or three Indochinese fronts. We should mobilize 250,000 men 200,000 of which would be sent to South Vietnam and 50,000 to Laos and Cambodia. Summing up this report it is necessary to say that I have touched on the fundamental features of the developing conditions in South Vietnam, on our difficulties and successes, and also on the difficulties existing for the enemy. I set out our plans and our course, illuminating also a series of matters which the Politburo assigned to the State Defese Council and Supreme Command. At the next Politburo session I shall set forth matters touching upon the present sit necessary to understand that the outcome of the coming battle depends upon the solution of these important questions. It is necessary to attain a clear understanding among the generals of the fact that the Thieu regime never will employ popular support and cannot exist. Such are the fundamental questions which we should resolve in the near future. >From the utterances of the generals set forth above, we see that the situation is developing in a direction gavorable to expand the net of communicatioons and connections with people who will carry out Plan "BA BE." The Supreme Command and Ministry of State Security discussed all matters related to successful implementation of this plan and levied new tasks upon the commands of the combat zones responsible for implementation of all regions and now are conducting the final work in order to complete preparatroy measures for this Plan by September 30th of this year. In comparison to other plans, the preparatioon of Plan "BA BE" is developing will. Such a plan we will formost ring into being on the territory of South Vietnam. In the course of its realization we will acquire experience which can help us counter the designs of the enemy at the front. However more cruel the bombings and barrages of the enemy may become, so much greater the victory we should grasp at the front, just such victories ais realization of Plan "BA BE." With the implementation of this plan we join great hopes; especially in accelerating the pace at which the offensive at the front develops, of which I reported to you above. The favorable development of the situation will be a huge and significant factor in collapse of military desgns of the USA and of the puppets at the front in South Vietnam. We must thwart the tickheaded and treacherous plans of the enemy, successful carrying out of Plan "BA BE" will indeed help us to grasp new victories. These victories will have great strategic significance in implementation of Plans T8-6 and 1) Plan S-6, which were topics above. (I) Plan S-6 - - Plan for military operations in the Saigon region (footnote of the GRU) The goal of Plan "BA BE" is introduction of division into the ranks of the enemy and lowering of his will to resist. Successful implementation of Plan "BA BE" will help us to attain successes at the Paris negotiations on Vietnam. The closer is victory, so much more clearly will appear the treacherous designs of the Nixon-Kissinger-Laird clique, and likewise of the puppet government of Nguyen Van Thieu. Therefore implementation of Plan "BA BE" will be great step in the resolution of many issues in the current situation. Because of this, its significance is so great. For successful realization of this plan we should as so as possible deploy our forces, in order to approach implementation of this plan in the month of October in accordance with indicated deadlines. In the Paris negotiations on Vietnam we have met in recent days with a series of difficulites. These difficulites are explained by the fact that Nixon begin stubborn as before and is trying above all to achieve amilitary solution of the issu and only then to move to settlement of political issues, which exercises great influence on the course of developement of the situation in Vietnam. As a result of the exchange of opions in the private meetings with Nixon's advisor, Kissinger, we understood that Nixon as before is being stubborn on settling the situation which is developing today in Vietnam. To attain settlement we should conduct careful preparation to counter Nixon's designs. Let him understand: if he does not renounce this war, then precisely the USA will suffer defeat in it. However, Nixon is being stubborn in continuing aggressive war and maintaining the status quo. That is why we think, that with the USA taking such a position, peaceful solution of the Vietnamese question is not possible. We see that the USA obstinately continues aggression, while Nguyen Van thieu as before holds to his insolent position. That is why we are filled with resolution to carry out Plan "BA BE," the realization of which will be a turning point in the settlement of the situation at the front. This would be our first military thrust on the front aimed at resolving the complicated political issue at the present stage. Until this, the Supreme Command had never tried woking out a plan simial to the plan "Ba Be". Over the course of Six months, we prepared to execute this plan. During this time, we gathered everyone who should take part in its realization, and then conducted a thorough traingin with them. The intelligence directorate of the Ministry of National Defence and the Ministry of State Security conducted the training of these people. We well understand that the better the training of these people is conducted, the fewer the losses we will carry and the faster we will be able to attain execution of this plan. Anonymous ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Nov 1996 14:46:55 -0800 From: "Rudolf Kies, PH.D." Subject: 1205 Document 3 of 3 Thus, once again evaluating the plan "Ba Be", the thorough training which is now going on, and which will be realized jointly with the plan T8-6 in October, it can be said that its successful realizationwill assist us to attain new large victories at the Paris negotiations on Vietnam. These are very serious issues which we must devote constant attention to. Yesterday the State Defense Council directed the Supreme Command to conduct a conference for the cadres responsible for traingin and carrying out his plan. At this conference, the forms, means and methods were stated, which were worked out. According to the organs and confirmed at a Politburo session. Now we can say that we have achieved great successes and we are convinced that this plan will be realized. Presently, this plan is being carried out. We have already suceeded in inserting a protion of our comrades into South Vietnamese territory. We succeeded with difficulty in certain areas and for this we had to procure all possible means. In other areas, this operation was carried out more successfully, and now our people are occuping stable positions in the puppet governing apparatus. Dear Comrades! In summing up what is stated above, it can be said that we are going in the right direction in carrying out our plans, especially the plans T8-6 and "Ba Be", and also in training for the realization of our plan s-6, the realization of which is stated for the near future. In addition to these issues, in accordance with the instructions from the Politburo, I will also report to you today on American POWs captured on the various fronts of Indochina. The work with American prisoners of war has always been within the field of vision of the Politburo and has been reflected in its decisions, such as decision No. 21 DST Dated 23 Mar 71, and decision No. 21 E dated 4 Apr 72. Both of these decisions concern the issues of exploiting these American POW issue. Some of these are correct, other are not, but even among us there are a number of comradeswhose opinions differ from the opionion of Politburo. These comrades are not taking into consideration the particulars of the developing situation not the inherent difficulties in their judgements. These opinion harm us in our search for methods of resolving the American POW issue. Dear comrades! The American POW issue to very complex. The peoples of the world [world opinion] and the peoples of our fraternal socialist nations [allied popular opinion] as well as North Vietnam. Allow me to inform you specifically on this matter. We have captured a very large number of American POWs on the fronts of Indochina since the time that the US introduced their troops into Vietnam, escalated the air war against North Vietnam, and expanded the total scope of their appreassion by spreading this aggression onto the territories of Laos and Cambodia. At first, the number of American POWs was not large and world public opinion paid little attention to them. The number of Americal POWs in North Vietnam grew day by day after 5 Aug 65 when the US imperialists started massive air bombing and off-shore bombardment by the 7th fleet of the territory of North Vietnam, and after having exxpanded their aggression onto the territories of Laos and Cambodia. The number of American POWs in the DRV has not been made public to this day. We have kept this figure secret. At today's Politburo session, I will report to you, Comrades, the exact number of American POWs. For Official Use Only The total number of American POWs captured to date on the fronts of Indochina, ie in North Vietnam, South Vietnam, Laos and Cambodia, comprises 1205 people. Of them, 671 people were captured in North Vietnam and 143 aviators [were captured] in South Vietnam. This means the total number of aviators, and diversionists (special operations) (American advisors on diversionary ships and divers), captured on the territories of North and South Vietnam comprises 814 people. In addition, from other categories of American servicemen in Indochina, we have captured 391 people, including: 283 in South Vietnam, 65 in Cambodia and 43 in Laos; 814 and 391 comprises 1205 people. Here is more data on the 1205 POWs. We have captured 624 American aviators in North Vietnam, to include 7 colonels, 85 lieutenant colonels, 183 majors, ie the total number of senior US Air Force and Navy officiers comprises 275 people. The 624 American aviators include 3 astronauts, i.e. three people who have completed the necessary training for space flight, for instance, Jim Katlo, who was captured in the vicinity of Hanoi. This figure also includes 15 US Air Force aces having more than 4000 flight hours each: Norman Klarvisto, Karmet, Jim Intist Shasht and others. This is the specific data on American aviators captured in North Vietnam. Among the other 47 prisoners captured in North Vietnam, there are 36 advisors of diversionary detachments who were inserted in the border region between the DRV and Laos; lone diversionists who were conducting reconnaissance ships; and several seamen who abandoned their ships that were damaged and whom we picked up. Therefore the figures 624 and 47 add up to 671. In South Vietnam we have captured 143 US aircrew members, mainly helicopter aviators and some jet aviators. Among the 391 American POWs captured in South Vietnam, Laos and Cambodia, we have 9 colonels, 19 lieutenant colonels and 52 majors. The remaining officers are captain and below, as well as American enlisted soldiers. Thus in summary, I want to remind you again that the 1205 American POWs presently in prisons of North Vietnam include: -624 aviators captured in North Vietnam -143 aviators captured in South Vietnam -47 diversionarists and other American servicemen captured in North Vietnam; -391 American servicemen of other categories, which includes 283 captured in South Vietnam, 65 in Cambodia, and 43 in Laos. All of them are presently in prisons in North Vietnam. Currently we have 11 prisons where American POWs are held. We used to have 4 large prisons, however after the American attempt to free their POWs from Kha-Tej (Son Tay) we expanded this number to 11. Each prison holds approximately 100 POWs. Seven Air Force colonels captured in North Vietnam and nine colonels of various branches of service captured in South Vietnam, Laos and Cambodia (16 officers in all) are being held together; through them, we are attempting to gain an understanding of the current situation which has developed in the American Army, extract the material and information we need, and determine our position toward them. We are also holding 104 American lieutenant colonels in one location and are attempting to extract information - secret information about troop dispositions and information concerning the US Defense Department from them. We have 235 majors concentrated in two locations. Thus we have dedicated special prisons for senior officers af the American Army: one for colonels, one for lieutenant colonels and two for majors. The rest of the POWs, captains and below, were placed in other prisons. A few words about the political views and attitudes of American POWs. There are 368 POWs who have progressive attitudes. They understand very well that this war is unjust and unpopular on their part. They condemn the American administration and express a strong protest against this war. We will be able to release these 368 POWs first, if as a result of the struggle of the progressive peoples of the world, including the American people, a favorable international environment will develop, forcing Nixon to move toward a resolution of the political issue. We are carrying out work with this catergory of POWs to explain to them the aggressive nature of the war being conducted by the regime, and also to make them understand the unjust character of this war which is inflicting great damage on the American people. One can assert that this group of POWs is progressive in their political views. There are 372 of the POWs who hold neutral views, i.e. their political outlook is not fully progressive, yet not too reactionary. We plainly see that they still do not clearly understand the role of the American administration in unleashing the aggressive war in Indochina. The remainder of the POWs hold reactionary views. In spite of the work carried on to explain to them the real state of things, they have not changed their reactionary views. The following is a summation: - - 368 POWs holding progressive views can be released first; - - 372 POWs hold neutral positions; - - 465 POWs hold reactionary views. All the POWs among the senior officers hold reactionary views, i.e. they do not condemn Nixon, they do not protest his policies, and they distort our course of action. We understand that these officers come from rich families. Their reactionary views are precisely a result of this. We well understand that the American POW issue has great significance for the resolution of the South Vietnamese problem. We must continue propagandistic and educational work with the American POWs, leading to their understanding of the nature of the aggressive war which the US is carrying out in Vietnam, as well as the senseless obstinateness of Nixon, which only delays the release of POWs and their return to their homeland. Soon we will free several POWs in order to put pressure on the Nixon administration, observe this reaction and the reaction of the American public, as well as to demonstrate our good intentions in this matter. Thus, the 1205 American POWs captured on the fronts of Indochina (in North and South Vietnam, Laos and Cambodia), presently kept in prisons in North Vietnam represent a significant force in the American army, a basic part of which is made up of American aviators. The large number of American aviators imprisoned during the time of Johnson and Nixon inflicted huge damage on the US Air Force. This should cause the US government and Nixon himself to reflect. We intend to resolve the American POW issue in the following manner: 1. The US government must demonstrate compliance, i.e. a cease fire and the removal of Nguyen Van Thieu, and then both sides can begin discussing the matter of returning POWs to the Nixon government. 2. While the American side is resolving the above-mentioned problems, we can free several more aviators from the number who are progressively inclined. Nixon should not hinder the return of these aviators to their homeland and not undertake any disciplinary measures toward them. 3. Nixon must compensate North Vietnam for the great damage inflicted on it by this destructive war. Here then are the principles on the bases of which we may resolve the American POW issue. However, Nixon continues to resist resolving the Vietnamesse question, thereby delaying the resolution of the American POW issue. I have reported these specific figures and fundamental aspects of the American POW issue to the Politburo. But we also have these comrades who do not understand this problem correctly. is necessary to resolve this issue taking into account settling the military and the political aspects of the Vietnamese problem. If we take a path of concession toward Americans and release POWs, then we would lose much. That is why our point of view on this issue remains the same: this issue must be resolved on the basis of military and political aspects of settlement. Holding 1205 POWs creates certain difficulties for us, but more importantly, the loss of 1205 POWs, particularly aviators, is a great detriment to the American Army, particularly the US Air Force. At the same time, we were able to collect data about American weaponry, tactical/technical characteristics of aircraft, Air Force directives, as well as materials about to uncover US intentions in the international arena and on a number of other issues which are related to war in Indochina. That is why we are convinced that our position concerning POWs has and continues to be correct. If we could successfully resolve the POW issue, then the other issues would not exert any concentrating on the successful resolution of this problem on the aviators who were shot down over North Vietnam and American specialist, as well as scientists in other technical areas. Their loss is a major liability for the American Army, because in no other war have there been so many captured Americans as there are in this war of aggression. The 1205 American POWs kept in the prisons of North Vietnam present a large number. For now, we have officially published a list of only 368 POWs. The resst are not acknowledged. The US government is aware of this, but they do not know the exact number of POWs, or they perhaps only assume an approximate number based on their lossess. Therefore in accordance with the instructions from the Poliburo, we are keeping the number of POWs secret. We are continuing to collect and study materials from interrogations of POWs in order to have a basis in specific circumstances to expose US designs in the Indochina war of aggresstion as well as in other matters. Collection and study of these materials has provided us great assistance in studing the scientific discoveries of the USA, in developing methods to cunter contemporary weapons, including chemical, which have inflicted great harm upon us in this war. I reported to the Politburo several fundamental aspectrs related to the matter of American POWs, namely: concerning the policy we are implementing on this matter, I gave the concrete number of American POWs seized in North Vietnam, South Vietnam, Cambodia and Laos. We still have among us Comrades who think: why do we keep these POWs and not take advantage of the Nixon proposals? Do we really want to resolve this matter after all? It needs to be noted that such a point of view is profoundly mistaken. This is not political horse-trading but rather an important condition and serious argument for successful resolution of the Vietnam problem. That is why the matter of the American POWs has great significance in exposing Nixon's designs in this matter and condemn individualistic mistaken views current among us on this matter. We firmly hold to our position - - when the American government resolves the political and military issues on all three fronts of Indochina, we will set free all American POWs. We consider this a very correct course. Dear Comrades! I have reported the following matters to Politburo sessions: the course of our party on the general offensive conducted in South Vietnam from March 30th to the present; our errors and deficiencies in the offensive and summing up results of the offensive in South Vietnam, Laos and Cambodia; positive and negative things taking place in the course of the offensive; short term plans of the enemy and our operations; analysis of errors permitted in strategic and tactical leadership; our contacts with political figures of South Vietnam from the Saigon regime; the matter of American POWs, captured on the three fronts of Indochina. Today on assignment of the Supreme Command, the State Defense Council and the Military Committee of the Politburo, I reported to you on these matters so that the Politburo could study these problems, could express its opinion on them, and set forth forms and methods for their resolution. Soon, the State Defense Council, together with the Supreme Command will study matters related to carrying out new operations at the front. The State Defense Council assigned the Supreme Command, and later in turn the General Staff, to address matters related to the development of new military plans for the year 1973. At the present time these plans are being worked out with the goal of preparing the necessary forces for their implementation. We are occupied with matters of mobilization and training of reinforcements for two or three Indochinese fronts. We should mobilize 250,000 men 200,000 of which would be sent to South Vietnam and 50,000 to Laos and Cambodia. Summing up this report it is necessary to say that I have touched on the fundamental features of the developing conditions in South Vietnam, on our difficulties and successes, and also on the difficulties existing for the enemy. I set out our plans and our course, illuminating also a series of matters which the Politburo assigned to the State Defese Council and Supreme Command. At the next Politburo session I shall set forth matters touching upon the present situation in Laos and Cambodia and views on its development. Presently the situation is turnig out quite favorable. The peoples of South Vietnam, Laos and Cambodia have decisively frustrated the plan for "Vietnamization" of the war and identical plans being implemented in Laos and Cambodia. We hold high the invincible banner of Marxism-Leninism! We are carrying out the precepts of Ho Chi Minh. The war of resistance against American imperialists for the salvation of the Fatherland will yet be stubborn and hard, yet we will definitely grasp victory. We will decisively frustate the plans of Nixon or anyone who takes his place and continues the aggresive war! The course of our party is assuredly correct. Our people are heroic people. Our forces are heroic forces! The three countries of Indochina, closely united one with another, will fight to the last drop of blood for the freedom and independence of their Fatherlands. The Vietnamese people will fully carry out its international duty toward the fraternal peoples of Laos and Cambodia! To the current session of the Politburo I wish successful work. I have completed the presentation of the report. Anonymous Rudolf Kies, PH.D. Owner/Moderator on listserv@sjuvm.stjohns.edu We don't spy on anyone - we just watch those that do... ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Nov 1996 13:27:13 -0600 From: Jason Thomas Subject: Re: Terrorism. You're absolutely right: there are no easy answers. And I certainly did not mean to insinuate that the problem stems entirely from islamic groups; it's just that Mr. Mcgehee was referring to INTERNATIONAL terrorism. I don't even want to think about the domestic variety. Either way, you're facing Hobson's choice with regards to balancing morality and national security. On the one hand, you have safety of people and airports. On the other hand, you have the very freedoms that you are trying to protect. Domestic terrorism is such a sticky issue that I don't see any way to stop it other than control of information and draconian proactive law enforcement. A problem with reprisals that you did not mention is the possibility of parties using them as dragons teeth; "framing" a nation and directing repercussions against it. One thing I was trying to say is that while we technically have the option of doing such things as bombing villages and training camps, it is neither politically nor morally feasible. It's very easy to undermine the ideas of others when you aren't advancing any of your own. Do benefit us with some of your knowledge and experience. Your posting, though quite ascerbic, does seem to demonstrate some glimmer of original thought. Regards, Jason Thomas
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